The spinach is brown because it's the post-apocalypse and even canned food has a shelf life. So, risk food poisoning or go hungry... these are your options.

I figure not that the Apocalypse is over, why not live it up a little.

>>1348
Sounds about right. Maybe if we'd all had monkey butlers, dat apocalypse wouldn't have happened in the first place~

>>1341
You don't pay enough attention to human nature, let alone post apocalyptic fiction.

>>1342
Dunno, I've seen humans perform amazing heroic acts in the face of danger and I've also seen them pull the smeggiest cowardly shit on friends, neighbors and family. Not sure I believe in so called "human nature" at this point but I'd rather take my chances by casting my lot in with a few strangers than face the apocalypse alone.

It's probably a decision you could only make at the time. I think just saying 'human nature' is reductive though, because there are two sides to it, and we're not all always bad (or good). You could at least end up with someone to travel with for a bit.

>>1277
true. I was paying more attention to the "self sufficient" part and not the "my question" part, my bad.

Okay, I'm going to risk sounding stupid and ignorant by not reading through the whole thread, but from what I've seen here and in a thread on 4chan's /b/ earlier on the same topic, I've never understood why you haven't contacted the people behind the earlier (similar enough) project Anononia. Those guys wanted to make their own damned country on an island in South America and have already managed to get some planning done (although it seems by now they've succumbed to apathy/lack of time/interest).

You should be able to find something on the topic from the following links, a way to contact them, at least:

http://anononia.wikispaces.com/
http://www.intpforum.com/showthread.php?t=7152&language=th
http://www.facebook.com/group.php?gid=110662318952868

Also what seems to be a guide for the potential military/guard of the nation:

http://www.scribd.com/doc/33138960/D1The-Anononian-Defence-Force

>>1324

We have actually talked to some of their members over our IRC channel, although I don't think I mentioned it in the thread. It was enlightening, to say the least.

Thanks for the links, though - I didn't know about most of those.

Dreamsnake isn't all that dystopian. There is a city of the rich who won't let anyone in, but the towns and villages outside it get by just fine. Sex isn't anything to fight about, people can control their bodies to prevent disease and pregnancy. There are areas of intense radiation that can kill, but overall for an atomised, tribal society, things are all very good. I would happily live in the world of Dreamsnake.

>>1311
>Dreamsnake

I read a synapse of it and i'll be keeping an eye out for that one. Thanks.

>>1312
Better yet, scroll down to the P-A book download thread I made a while back. It's in there.

Assuming zombies eat people but not other zombies, how do you end up with a plague of zombies roaming the streets? Wouldn't they, as a group, just gobble up every living human they met? I mean, once the horde reached a certain size, wouldn't they just overwhelm and devour any poor hapless live person they cornered, rather than merely infecting them and making another zombie out of them?

I'm thinking specifically of The Walking Dead which I don't think is very popular here but it's the most recent zombie media I've watched. The scene in Atlanta in particular, where there are literally thousands of walkers swarming one guy. It's one of the best parts visually but in retrospect, it doesn't make a lot of sense. Like, in order to become a walker you'd have to get infected, run away and die, become undead, then join the horde.

>>1301
Most likely, a few zombies can infect tons of people by running around biting many people before people realize what it really going on. By that time there's no big groups of zombies swarming, but there's already big groups of people infected. Later they turn into zombies and swarm. By that time, there's only x number of uninfected left who would get devoured.

>>1305
Hm, yes I suppose this makes sense now that I think about it.

>>1167
> As for using silver...why.

Maybe because there's other things out there than just zombies. Like werewolves. And don't forget, a supersoaker and a LOT of holy water on standby in case it's vampires.

look think. What you would really end up doing is dropping half of that crap and using what projectiles you have on hand. unless you live in a steel treehouse with murder holes and a shitload of food, you are fucked . Hiding in your basement for a day is different than hiding for a year or more.

>>1299
What are you talking about and to whom are you replying? This isn't a bunker and food thread. This is a zombie weapons thread.

Here's a few media I can think of off handed, OP.

Killer Plants - "Day of the Triffids" - Movie
Giant Rabbits - "Night of the Lepus" - Movie
Radiation-Supernatural-Mutation - "S.T.A.L.K.E.R." - Video Game Series
Giant Killer Ants - "Them!" - Movie
Killer Avians - "Birds" - Movie
Interdimensional Monsters - "The Mist" - Movie
Interdimensional Monsters - "In the Mouth of Madness" - Movie
Non-zombie Mutations - "I AM Legend/The Omega Man" - Movie/book
Supernatural/Rapture - "Left Behind" series - Movie/book
Killer Angels - "Legion" (2010 version) - Movie
Supernatural-plague/Rapture - "Stephen King's The Stand" - Movie/book
Supernatural-magic/Unknown - "The Evil Dead" series - Movie
Supernatural-magic - "Black Easter/The Day After Judgment" - Book

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>>1257
Use Media Player Classic, it should run HD fair enough. VLC can too, but requires more fiddling.

This wasn't what I was expecting at all. It wasn't Akira-in-space, it was more "fun" than that, not to mention hopeful. I loved it though.

Funny thing is, while I was waiting for it to load I watched the trailer without english subs and it gave a very different impression (I guess "moonspeak" has a dual meaning here). Based on that I thought it was about a military base on the moon which gets attacked by aliens; the only survivors leave in an emergency escape rocket and land on Earth to find the aliens have already wiped out civilization; they follow the only lead they have and go on a massive roadtrip; further action of some kind ensues; etc. Guess I was wrong but I think I like my version better.

Some damn cool imagery at times though.

I think the anime had some pretty big failings, and could have been much better. It wasn't even the Cup Noodle advertising that annoyed me so much as the light-hearted tone vs. the actually pretty hefty subject matter...

>>1282
On the first season of the MTV show, "The Real World", they constantly did things like buy alcohol for them, get them into idiot situations, and tried to get them to cause as much drama as possible. Since then they've been casting people that are as dramatic as possible and pairing them with some that are not in order to cause further drama and sensationalism.

I've never seen a single reality TV show that did not do similar tactics to make for "better" TV.

>>1283
I was horrified to find out that the Real World is still going. I thought it ended long ago. MTV is the best at creating reality shows that make me want to leave this planet though. My Super Sweet 16 is a prime example.

>>1284
I stopped watching TV programming around season 2 of The Real World.

>My Super Sweet 16

I'm not even going to google that.

>>1231
Fresh horse going into a garden can get to hot as it breaks down, though. If you let the mycelium digest the manure outside of the garden for a while, then till it in, it doesn't generate as much heat around the roots of the plants.

Not a bad haul...but how much of your family's food for a year is that? 1/2? 3/4's? more? Less?

>>1232
>hot horse manure.

The hot stuff goes on my blackberries. Then it gets moved to the vegetable gardens. I have three blackberry patches. Here's a pic of the latest one I planted this past summer. The plants are cut off low about 1 week before transplanting. Then they are moved and watered. They are about 3 times as high now. Pic was taken in July I think. They won't have full crop production until about their 3th-4th year when the root masses are very large. The nice thing about these is that you can back a horse right up to them and spread the manure around. So long as the manure isn't pile up, the thermal heat is fine. The blackberries withstand the high nitrogen content better than most plants. Peach trees for instance will be killed right off if you do that. I have a friend that has a couple horses and I usually get a small pickup truck load once a month from horse that are only stabled at night, and I'm waiting in line for it. At the horse rescue stable, they get about 1 full-size pickup truck load every single day from about 20 horses.

>how much of your family's food for a year is that?

Not as much this year since I didn't have time to can the food when it needed to be canned. In a normal year, you can live off this completely. I also hunt. An example of how the food consumption is planed out, I did vegetable and deer stew this past week. I got 29 quarts of stew. 1 quarts is two big meals for me or 3 smaller meals. If I only have one jar a day it actually fills me up so much that I don't need much else. It would last about 29 days. Probably closer to 25 days. So, instead of eating stew every single day, you also can other ready to eat meals. There's 70 some pints of just canned venison with nothing else in it. That gets added to other dishes. Open a can of this and a can of that, put the left over in the fridge, etc. If you made 7 ready made meal plans you could mix and match during each week to eat those, one a day. 7 different

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>>1234
Here's an early pic of one of last year's garden. Note the fine row of mushrooms sprouting. Manure and straw covers most everything. I don't actively weed the garden, it seems to help keep pests from directly attacking the vegetable plants. Oh, that's tomatoes, peppers, and carrots in the pic.