> It makes me also wonder how many PA movies there are where the remaining society is not dystopian.

Can't think of a movie but Ursula le Guin's Always Coming Home depicts a post-apoc society that is not dystopian. It's not the day after doomsday, but way after the fall. I can't remember many details, I read it a long time ago.

>>1291
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Always_Coming_Home

>The book weaves around the story of a Kesh woman called Stone Telling, who lived for years with her father's people—the Dayao or Condor people, whose society is rigid, patriarchal, hierarchical and militarily expansionist. The story fills less than a third of the book, with the rest being a mixture of Kesh cultural lore (including poetry, prose of various kinds, mythos, rituals, and recipes), essays on Kesh culture, and the musings of the narrator, "Pandora". Some editions of the book were accompanied by a tape of Kesh music and poetry.

That's actually pretty interesting.

>>1292
Huh, like I said, I don't remember much. But the narrator's mother's culture the Kesh are a non-heirarchical, non-expansionist people. That was the "not dystopian" part I was thinking of specifically.

>>1293
I'm pretty sure you won't find any fictional world that is not at least in some way dystopian, just as you will never find any part of the real world that is not, at least in part, dystopian.

>>1294
Of course, but that is not the point for the OP. It's fairly easy to categorize a work of fiction into non-dystopian and dystopian. I can't currently think of a single post-apocalyptic work of fiction that is not dystopian.

Maybe this is a genre that needs to be filled. Non-dystopian Post-apocalyptic fiction. Hmmm, sounds kind of dull in one respect.

Say, is the movie, "Wall-E" a dystopian movie? There is an Eco-apocalypse, but the humans are living in a type of luxury. Eh, come to think of it, it fits the definition of a dystopia to the letter. lol

>>1295
Any number of movies show people living in "perfect societies" after the collapse. Logan's run comes to mind. Life is perfect for just about everyone but a few people on the fringes....minus the fact that you die when you hit 30.

>>1296
The Logan's Run is fully dystopian.

>>1297
my point exactly. Everyone is happy. But the underlying reality is pretty much crap.

>>1298
I had an interesting discussion with a friend once about whether certain seminal works of cyberpunk were utopian or dystopian. He saw the advancements in medical technology, implants, mind enhancing drugs, high tech entertainment, etc and so on as being pretty utopian. All I saw was billions of people who couldn't afford these things and who were renting coffin sized lodgings to sleep in or burning piles of discarded lottery tickets for heat while living in storage lockers; pretty dystopian from that angle. So which one of us was right? Perhaps both.

But when I think post-apoc, I think straight up, unambiguous dystopia. Unless we can create some pastoral village based economy in the aftermath where everyone gets their fair share and a say in decision making if they contribute the hard work, where the elderly and sick are taken care of, etc. There will always be problems but that doesn't automatically mean a dystopia.

>>1302
It's very hard to imagine any type of true pure utopia not build on the misery of others. Maybe after we develop pure nonotech, and have replicators...Star trek's earth is the closest to a pure utopia I can think of. The only issues that exist are the ones created by people and massive acts of nature. Otherwise, starvation is gone, technology is everywhere.

Dystopia:

A dystopia (from Ancient Greek: δυσ-, "bad, hard",[1] and Ancient Greek: τόπος, "place, landscape";[2] alternatively cacotopia,[3][4] or anti-utopia) is the idea of a society in a repressive and controlled state, often under the guise of being utopian, as characterized in books like Brave New World and Nineteen Eighty-Four. Dystopian societies feature different kinds of repressive social control systems, various forms of active and passive coercion. Ideas and works about dystopian societies often explore the concept of humans abusing technology and humans individually and collectively coping, or not being able to properly cope with technology that has progressed far more rapidly than humanity's spiritual evolution. Dystopian societies are often imagined as police states, with unlimited power over the citizens.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dystopia

>>1304

WOW THIS WIKIPEDIA THING IS PRETTY COOL! HOW COME I'VE NEVER HEARD OF IT?

>>1306
Missed the OP's post and all its Wikipedia links completely eh?

>>1304
you provide a text book answer, without any actual answer on the subject at hand. Good job.

>>1306
>>1309
People were getting away from what dystopia means. No need to get offended by a simple definition post.

Dreamsnake isn't all that dystopian. There is a city of the rich who won't let anyone in, but the towns and villages outside it get by just fine. Sex isn't anything to fight about, people can control their bodies to prevent disease and pregnancy. There are areas of intense radiation that can kill, but overall for an atomised, tribal society, things are all very good. I would happily live in the world of Dreamsnake.

>>1311
>Dreamsnake

I read a synapse of it and i'll be keeping an eye out for that one. Thanks.

>>1312
Better yet, scroll down to the P-A book download thread I made a while back. It's in there.