And part two.
Everything here is in the backpack I grab every time I step out of the door. Post one was everything in my pockets. Pretty much whenever I'm awake.
1) condoms.
2) Nikon Coolpix. Freebee camera from a job, I put this thing through anything and don't care if it gets wet/breaks. On the SD card is a scanned copy of my SSC and birth certificate and ID.
3) More gum
4) Paperback, in this case a library book
5) Bayarea fag transit information
6) a couple of cliff bars.
7) Single use Micro-toothbrushes
8) chemical heating pack
9) chemical cooling pack
10) 55 gallon drum liner
11) Sport drink powders
12) Glow sticks
13) Another bandanna
14) Rubber strap.
15) Pens,pencil, sharpies, paper.
16) Shopping bag. I dislike disposable bags as they break, not a echo-hippie statement.
17) Earplugs.
18) battery powered mp3 player.
19) steel water bottle.
20) Pain pills, also contains a small baggy of firestarter.
21) Space blanket. Makes great photo light reflector, besides it's intended purpose.
22) Toollogic SL3 Knife/firestarter/whistle. Not the best knife, but it doesn't rise any questions if I ever get my bag searched, like a full tang sheath knife would
23) Medical kit. Athletic tape, lots of different bandaids, neo-sporin-, alcohol swabs, butterfly bandage, hair ties, in a waterproof case.
24) 2x4ft cotton fabric. Great travel towel.
Flashlight, multi-tool tip screwdriver, spanner, gloves, Electrical tape, deodorant.

If I couldn't make it to my dorm so car I suppose I'd be screwed as a notebook and laptop would be pretty useless. I do find it unlikely that I wouldn't at least make it to my car where I have a tarp, wool blanket, rope, leatherman, and first aid kit in addition to car emergency stuff (reflective vest, etc). My backpack in my room would be the real preparation though. It's a basic bug out bag pre packed and near the door. I've got a second first aid kit, a second multi tool, a utility knife, a warm fleece, a rain jacket, wool socks and long johns, an LED flashlight with some batteries, warm gloves, iodine tablets (until I can afford an MSR pump filter), a nalgene, half a roll of duct tape, and some other things I'm probably forgetting.

I don't have a meant of starting a fire or any food in there. I want to use a firestarter before I buy it and I haven't had the chance. I don't like the idea of keeping perishable food in there either so maybe I'll just keep buying bars every once in a while and eat the old ones.

Depending on the circumstances (if I was using my car to get somewhere right away) I'd probably grab my sleeping bag and pad and my hiking boots, but I could only get these if I had the luxury of time.

Then there's the box in my mom's basement with all of the above (pretty much) and a good deal of ammunition (for trading, she won't buy a gun) and organic seeds.

>>65
For people that drive, a car kit is a reasonable idea. I don't....Otherwise the backpack kit would be much larger, and in the trunk.
But maybe you should start a thread with your bugout bag, it sounds like it's pretty well set up, and would be a good start to a conversation for more long-term preparation.

Perhaps some clothes, perhaps not depending on the time of day. Other than that, maybe a cellphone. There might be a blunt object near me.

Where are my paranoid psycho /apoc/ natives?

Moving house... everything is packed up or I'd do this.

>>70

for this we are mostly on operatorchan

>>74
yeah. But OPchan is full of retarded faggots. And I was trying to bring some tiny amount of life to the post-borked board /apoc/

>>63
The beat up old pack o' gum makes me chuckle.

Though it won't really help my survival, I know my dugout (a wooden box containing a one-hit pipe and a carved out volume for plant-matter storage), pre-loaded with an emergency stash of that sweet reefer at all times, will come with me in the event of emergency.

Pretty much good for psychological coping, combating stress-induced insomnia when I need to get to sleep, and a small amount of bartering if needed.

>>186
Well, should I have bought prop-gum?

>>187
The final weapons of any P-A survivor... fake gum with a mousetrap hidden inside!

>>251
rubbish. I can think of WAY better things to do with a mouse trap.

>>255
I'm sure some women survived the apocalypse if you did dude, no need to get freaky...

>>260
Uh. First, what the fuck? Secondly, what are you implying about my ability to survive in a post-collapse world, bucko?

Just sayin brah, you don't need to fuck no mousetraps.

>>266
well supposing for the moment women did survive the apocalypse, and you wanted to get freaky with said women. a mouse trap might still come in handy...

....Lolitoads, your stupidity is at an all-time high on this one. It's unrelated. And not funny. My nephew has the same problem. Conversation goes on, and suddenly, completely random, pointless, and retarded comment. We give him pills for it.

Mouse traps are used to gather food, you retards. Cheep, easy to carry, easy to bait ready made traps.

>>268
What kind of animals are you expecting to kill with a mouse trap? Rats? You'd have better luck surviving off of the nutrients found in tree bark. Rats are disease ridden rodents. And,t he amount of effort required to cook a rat probably exceeds the gained nutrients.

Lolitoads is just fucking with you. And for good reason. No one is going to gather food with a mouse trap. At least not via it's physical killing power.

Maybe you had some other way of gathering food with a mousetrap?

>>269
Clearly you know nothing about how people in poor societies survive...Rats are eaten all over the world by those that have no other choice.

There IS no animal food source that "isn't worth the effort to cook". If all you have is a rat? you're going to eat it. Or a squirrel, or small birds.

You want to talk about diseases? Sure. Every animal out there is going to have parasites, diseases. Rabbits, birds, deer. That's why you COOK meat. You cook it to kill parasites and make it safe to eat.

The chicken in your freezer is quite likely crawling with bacteria. E-coli, staff, and more things than you want to think about.

This, to me, is not a place for frivolous troll comments. A year ago...this exact thread existed, with a fair amount of interesting viewpoints and information. Now? Every other post is pointless, idiotic trolling, across the board.

>>270
Still, having to skin and cook a rat would utilize resources including energy from your body. How many calories, especially those from protein are in a rat? Is it even 1/4lb of fat or meat?

>>271

Quite possibly less, depending on the rat. But there also isn't that much effort in and skinning small animals. slit open, pull out guts, grab skin, pull. It takes about...oh. twenty seconds, if you know what you're doing.

With a little bit of google research, as I was curious...rat is a common food for the poor in most of Asia, India, west africa, for aborigines, and was a large part of the traditional diet of the samosas and Hawaii. Rats are eaten in some parts of France, for that matter. Then again, those people will eat ANYTHING.

Interesting article on the subject, from a cooking blog, with a few recipes.

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http://blog.serialcooking.com/2009/01/23/friday-weird-recipes-series-lets-cook-rat-like-chicken/

Apparently I forgot something there.

>>273
I'd eat it if I someone prepared it for me. But it looks like it'd take too long to make unless I was hungry.

>>275
That's "cooking fresh caught game" Or, for most internet neckbeards who live on delivery pizza and ramen, "cooking"

>>276
I live on ramen, but I am not a neckbeard sir. I am a respectable cave dweller.

I cook a little. I just made myself some ramen with eggs last night. How's that for cooking?

>>277
To lazy to cook. Tossing a raw egg into a boiling pot of water, or however you did it..uh. Barely counts as cooking.

>>279
That's exactly what I did. Today I cooked again by stacking an elaborate selection of meats between two slices of bread. I went with salami, turkey, and roast beef. It tasted so good I made another later in the day.

>>282
And THIS is why you shouldn't open your mouth when the subject of "cooking" comes up. Making a sammich does not count as cooking.

>>284
>:( Are you challenging my ability to survive in today's world? I can cook just fine according to current standards. The ability to skin an animal is nearly useless and even in an apocalypse would be nearly useless until the majority of non-perishable goods were consumed. By that time I could have found at least one book, teacher, or resorted to common sense and have gained the skill of skinning animals/ cooking flesh.

Right now, in our current every day situation, I am just as prepared to feed myself as any cook. And in a post apocalypse environment, I could catch up in a week or less.

Also, today I took it easy as far as cooking was concerned. I may have made another sandwich but I don't remember eating much besides a bowl of cereal, some crackers, and a nasty subway sandwich.

>>289
Based on what you posted, Yes. I am. And, really, how you prepare the food, beyond "killed the bacteria, without turning it into charcoal" is usually kinda irrelevant.

And...Take your food stores. Figure out how long they will last you. Does anyone know you have said stores, if there's a decent quantity? Are you prepared to kill said people? Take into account the likelihood that at least a few of them will show up, with relatives, expecting you to take care of them.

How long are you going to last before you need to supplement your supplies then?

If you don't know how to catch and prepare game now...don't assume you will be a natural at it after things go south.

You're not taking a number of things into consideration.

First, even the best hunters don't make a kill every day. In every hunter gatherer society today, more of the day to day food needs are gathered, not hunted. How's your local wild eatable knowledge?
Secondly...If you are not at least somewhat skilled at gathering food animals, with a decent knowledge of how to construct traps, as well as hunt, the time it takes you to figure this out on your own, to any real success? Considerably more than that week you think it will take. You have to evaluate the location of the animals. Create or obtain weapons capable of killing said animals, or traps to capture said animals...this takes time.

Thirdly, you're not alone. I will assume for the moment that you are in an urban or suburban environment. Minus cats, dogs, rats and pigeons, the local animal population is rather scarce. And there ARE people out there that know what they are doing, who will be capturing said prey animals.

Fourthly, You can indeed just cut the skin off an animal and cook it. If you do not know to remove the organs, sex organs, and so on of the animal...it won't be worth eating. Free tip for the day. The glands in most animals? The flavor they add to the mix wrecks meat.

>>290
I'll take to learning the basics. I think I've got an understanding of how to skin and gut an animal. Though, I still need to figure out what kind of knife I should be using on the skinning part, especially when dealing with smaller animals. If I were to try and cut/gut a rat what knife would be best? Also, I read that some knifes have a hook on the back for removing the hide without damaging the organs. Should I aim for one of these? Where can I find a knife?

The closest thing I have to a gun is a .22 pellet gun. Though it does hit pretty hard and could easily kill an animal. Is it best to shoot an animal in the head if I want to use it for food? It's kind of hard to hit a rabbit's head though.

Besides a knife for skinning the animal and a weapon/trap for killing it, what do I need to finish the job?

>>291

>>268
Whoops, didn't realise I'd wandered onto Operator here. Chill there.

I do, however, agree with you on the mousetrap, definitely a useful thing and rats/mice/shrews can supplement a diet even if they're not the main part of it. Plus, any meat that goes mouldy can go in it to attract the prey, no real waste (though any rotting meat of real size should be hung from the ceiling to allow maggots to come along, those things are pretty good as supplements too).

>>294
OP chan it isn't. But this isn't 4chan's /b/ either. Dick in a mousetrap jokes are not really in any way appropriate for the discussion at hand. That's all I was saying.

I'd be hesitant about eating larva from rotting meat unless it was cooked, but yeah. Also, they make way better bait for fishing, and traps, than the meat would.

>>296
As far as I've been led to believe eating the maggots should be ok, I've come across it in several survival manuals. However, that is with a basis on surviving in Britain, I don't know what sort of larva you might encounter elsewhere.

>>297
I may use them for cleaning wounds, but eating them would be an absolute last resort for me. I think I'd try to eat wood first.

>>298
If they're clean enough to put in your wound, they'll have to be clean enough to eat, even cleaner maybe. Medical maggots are specifically bred in sanitised conditions nowadays. But yea... maggots have many uses; bait, food, medicine.
I suppose we haven't actually thought about how the life cycle of flies would be affected by the likes of a nuclear war though? Anyone ever read something like that?

1. Plank with nail
2. Radio

To actually reply to the first post in all seriousness, all I have on me regularly is;

Swiss army knife
Keys
Mobile phone
iPod/tape player
Crappy belt (what do you want for free?)
Wallet
A lot of paper and some Feminist critical theory

I should probably get to work on something a bit better.

May I humbly suggest adding a credit card sized fresnel lens, commonly found near the reading glasses or magnifying glasses, to your wallet? Although sunshine can't be guaranteed if you find yourself in an /apoc/ situation, it would be another way to start a fire. And that's important enough to carry multiple options.

>>301
feminist lit? wut? why?

>>306
A good idea for most people. I'm blind as a bat, so i carry around a perfectly good set of burning lenses everywhere I go.

>>307
University work, it's about the only thing that remains in my bag 24/7 :(

>>306
Definitely a good idea, I am terrible at starting fires.

whats the point to carry this around all the time? Sounds like paranoia

Paranoia, preparedness...I've used every single item in my backpack, for one reason or other. Not always it's intended purpose.

That's the thing. You don't "NEED" any of this shit. Until you do. The problem with the "that sounds paranoid" argument is that, when I'm proven wrong..I look a little silly. You, on the other hand, are stuck in a situation without the item that my "paranoid" ass carries around every day that could be of great help.

i admit its pretty leet. I carry a backpack with my laptop and books. I carry around a portable workplace and study hall lol

>>337
Yeah. I'll admit that I didn't bother to read the whole thread, but I know what you're saying. I have lived out of a backpack for months at a time and it's a constant internal debate, trying to figure out what to keep carrying and what to leave behind.

I took survival courses as a kid in the Air Cadets here in Canada (don't know if there is an equivalent in your country; if you're a yank, basically imagine a cross between the Boy/Girl Scouts and ROTC). Then as an adult I did a 180 politically and became a hobo for a while. These two "institutions" for lack of a better word have opposite schools of thought regarding preparedness. In the Cadets I was told to prepare for any and all potential situations, don't leave anything behind because you just might need it. When I went to hop my first train on the other hand, I was told by my companions to take as little gear as possible. They said to ditch everything but the bare minimum, the smallest amount of gear I could possibly survive on; then ditch half of what was left.

I've always struggled to find a happy medium between the two. I've been made fun of for carrying too much gear or food, only to see the same people needing those exact things later. Haters gonna hate I suppose.

>>339
There is some use to having a light pack...you can travel faster, get snagged on less, and when hopping trains I'm sure the less you have to drag you back the better...On the other hand, things make life easier.

>>340
Exactly. You might have to move fast to catch a ride and you don't want to be burdened. It could even cost you your life if you are getting on moving trains (something I try to avoid). You also have to make sure you don't have any loose straps or anything that will get snagged on anything when you are boarding. There is also the unfortunate business of sometimes having to walk miles and miles to get to the spot where the trains stop or slow down. It might be really far from the center of town, somewhere where buses don't go. It sucks walking that far when you're heavily laden.

It also sucks not having a stove or a tent when you need it, or enough water. It's a delicate balance.

>>343
A couple heavy drum liners and a properly modified coffee can do wonders for those issues.

Knowing how to make your own tools and shelter is also important.

>>345
> drum liners

I've used a garbage bag as a rain poncho. It serves well in the moment, but it tears easily. One of the few nice things I own is decent rain gear and I wouldn't trade it for anything, nor would I venture far from home without it.

Same goes for my trusty pocket sized SAS survival guide. It's helped me through a few scrapes, even in an urban setting. I've carried it around for... 13 years now?

This reminds me, I used to know some acronyms and other mnemonic devices that you could fall back on for a plan of action in a survival situation. If shit is really fucked up you might not be thinking clearly, and these little sayings gave you a plan to follow. One was:

> FREEZE FREEZE SHIVER SHIVER FREEZE
which stood for:

-first aid
-fire
-shelter
-signals
-food

...in precisely that order. First I thought it was odd that food was last on the list but I guess it makes sense. Better to try and get out of the situation as soon as possible, right? You can probably live without food for a few days unless you are sick or it's extremely cold. Signals meant ground-to-air signals for search and rescue aircraft, flares, fixing a radio, etc, anything to contact the outside world and call for retrieval. Another was:

> Aardvarks rarely ever ingest stale old ants.
which stood for:

-Acknowledge (that you are in a life or death situation)
-Relax (get a hold of yourself and don't panic)
-Evaluate (the situation)
-Inventory (take stock of what you have and what use it is)
-Stay or go? (make a decision to set up camp where you are or find a better site)
-Organize (make a plan)
-Act!

I need to brush up on my survival psychology, and take a first aid course again. I am lazy and full of excuses, and that is bullshit on my part.

I decided to buy a couple books on survival psychology. The topic sounds interesting.

>>351
Good. Very good.

Another bit of folklore I remember is what we called The Seven Enemies of Survival. There are more than seven really, I counted eight or nine, and different instructors named different lists of threats, but as best as memory and some quick googling serves me, the things you were supposed to be weary of if you wanted to pull through were first:

-Cold or heat
-Hunger
-Thirst
-Fatigue

...all self-explanatory I'm sure. And then:

-Fear
-Despair
-Loneliness
-Boredom

... and I would add "ignorance" to this list, come to think of it. But survival instructors agree that while knowledge and intelligence are critical, they are not always the deciding factor in whether you live or die. More often than not, it's your attitude. Trained soldiers and others who were supposed to know what they were doing in the wilderness have died because they couldn't get their shit together. Others who didn't have a fucking clue survived simply because they refused to give up and just figured something out.

Boredom can be a life threatening affliction, because it leads to despair. Always keep your hands occupied. Set traps, fix up your shelter, make tools, anything. Even if you don't need these things in the end, it will keep you busy and that will keep your spirits up.

I've applied survival psychology in situations which you wouldn't think of as survival situations, but they were. You can certainly starve to death in the woods or die of hypothermia easily enough. But even living in a warm home with a fridge full of food; addiction, depression and thoughts of suicide can kill you just as dead as a person lost in the wilderness.

>>347
Not trash bags. Drum liners. While they are bags designed to contain trash, they are a good deal thicker and more heavy duty. I've been carrying one around for about a year now. I forgot to take it out of the bag, though..it's in this back pocket thing for protection from punctures. It's more waterproof than a generic poly tarp, and, frankly, seems to last longer.

That both lists ignore water completely disturbs me...Water comes after fire but before shelter. And that's only if you don't have some other way to purify your water.

>>354
I see your point about drum liners, but I used a garbage bag in the moment because it was all I had. You can't use it much more than once or twice though before it gets fucked up.

Also good point about water. These were lists I learned by rote as a youth and was just reciting. I suppose I should re-analyze them. I think maybe I assumed that water went with food, but that is really stupid because it definitely comes before food and other priorities. As for the second list, it doesn't mention water because it doesn't mention any specific material resources by name, it just instructs you to take inventory of those resources, whatever they are.

I need to re-learn some of this shit, possibly un-learn a lot of it too.

keys with mini-sharpie, 16gb flash drive, and light with beacon setting
Gerber Foreman pen light
Moleskine notebook & pencil
Swiss Champ pocket knife
prepaid faux-blackberry
old sprint phone (for video)
wallet
gum
Yoshi Pez dispenser :3
headphones

I would be absolutely fucked.
Various inert bits of plastic, some paper I might be able to fool someone into thinking is valuable (and barely any at that), couple of keys, pen, and a pocketwatch.

>>645
This pocket watch. Is it battery powered?

Things I take with me everywhere:
Keys including car keys so I may have my car (with a hairtie on the keychain (its a rock-climbing style keychain))
Wallet (no cash, only cards.)
Smartphone

If Im at school then I also have:
Backpack with:
Books (currently just Calculus and a novel)
Paper & notebooks
Pens
TI83 Calc
TI89 Titanium Calc
Flashcards (blank)
School schedule


So Im pretty screwed either way. I might be able to barter with survivors with my calculators or my phone but in a post-apocalyptic scenario, few people will care about math and smartphones.

You guys carry all this stuff around all the time? Fucking virgins.

>>1031
see, example B of you being a fucking insulting douchebag...

>>1033
lol, you caught me

>>1037
even someone who can't see IP's could figure that one out.

>>1038
Yeah, you got me. Now get over yourself.

>>1041
sorry, ego is just to big for that...seriously, it takes up half of my backpack.

'Remember to make room in your bug-out bag for your ego. Large hats for your big head are also a good idea for when the weather gets cold.'

boredly watching internet survival videos on youtube...my god, those people make me look sane. This kid had an urban survival kit, in this little tiny bag. It had three fucking folding knives. THREE FOLDING KNIVES. Why? One of which is like a $60 knife, but for a boiling vessel he had a coffee can. Pressed edges leak after a fairly short number of drastic temperature shifts. Loose the K-bar folder and put in a decent coffee cup, for the love of god, kid.

>>1057
That wouldn't look as cool though, is the sad truth. I'm sure he'd defend it on some other grounds, but you know it's the reason.

>>1060
I spent $20ish on a wide mouth 12oz steel water bottle for my EDC kit. It looks kinda funny, but it's light enough that I can carry enough water to get me through a reasonably short 1-2 mile walk, and in a bugout situation, it's a perfect single person cooking vessel. Pre-soak rice and beans and jerky or whatever I have on hand, cook it, and seal it up again as I continue on my way.

It's a single time investment for an object that, barring interactions with a car tire, will last me my entire life.

Damn.
Good stuff.